8th Edition and 2011 Orc discussion, O&G out Q1 2011

Stumbeled upon this over at the Warseer

Sounds about right.

Having seen concept sketches for the new Knights and Brians work on the new boars I am fairly excited about this.

8th ed could sort out some stuff, but if O&G are to come out in Q1 then BoC might get postponed. I would not mind a new edition of the rules, but I don't want to wait for my army book.

I don't want the army book to be broken by an update to the rules either.
Damn them people over in England for making me read this before breakfast.

This post has been edited by buddha on Oct 31 2009, 07:39 AM

I'd say that's a solid 100% confirmation of beasts for Feb.

Yeah the way I read it we were and still are slated for a Feb release. Will suit us well to get pushed right before the new rules - if Skaven were first to take advantage of them I'd like to see how we benefit from any changes. Could give us an edge until the other books get updated.

What changes in the Skaven book lend it to new rules? The template-hits-all is the only one I can think of, and beasts don't stand to gain anything there. Surely magic is due for a revision though?

is there anything soley wrong with this edition?

Infantry!

Time of Madness

I myself think this is stupid. The problem with this edition is particular lists not the core rules. So the same problems with VCs and DoC will remain.

This post has been edited by Pat man freedom on Oct 31 2009, 04:55 PM

Sixth and seventh were very similar the typical life span of a WFB edition is about 4 years. So we are getting close to that time span.

Subtle changes in seventh I think shifted the army balances (skirmishers got worse in particular which meant that the overpowered army of the end of sixth -wood elves - got weaker)

Get ready for 6 wide nerf!

No, watch them make 4 wide ranks again and have some stupid rule for th herds, like not getting a rank bonus or something

Magic is probably the worst offender. Ever turned up to a battle with 2 lvl2's vs 8 levels of magic and not managed to cast a single spell in the game? "Might as well just bring a scroll caddy or two next game."

Eliminate that all or nothing-ness and you go a long way to fixing one of the biggest problems of the game.

Other than that, there are a lot of little tweaks that could be done. Clarifying what is a model in regards to things that effect a model and multi-part models, fixing the monster and handler rules, depowering autobreak. Perhaps depowering large flyers. Be nice if they could do something to reduce the movement penalties for infantry in terrain; it's all basically no-go areas for ranked units at the moment, which boosts the power of combat skirmishers and other manouverable units.

Hopefully they will bring decent missions/scenarios back too. They are the best way to limit deathstar units or armies that rely on specific builds to break the dynamic of the game, like knight-heavy. or chariot heavy, or static gunlines etc. The focus of the game should be on ranked infantry, so make them the guys who achieve victory through taking and holding etc. The other guys like cav, skirmishers, monsters etc could be your strike power but unable to hold any points themselves.

I just had a vision of nightmarish quality...... What if we get killpoints?

We definitely might. . . if I understand correctly this years UK GT had some funky special missions etc.

Great...... Just love some of these ideas. Any hope they actually do something worth while?

I saw a cool idea for 8th edition on Warseer. Make rank bonus different for your base size - 20mm has 5 wide, 25mm has 4 wide, 40mm has 3 wide. 50mm or larger can't join units or are classfied as monsters.

Update from Dosadi on Warseer: