2250 tourney coming up..., Help me choose -..-?

Gotta sit down and think about a list, and I'm torn between either a khorne based army, a undivided army, or a tzeentch army.

Here's the current opponents:

Dark Elves/Wood Elves
High Elves
Dwarves
Daemons of Chaos
Dark Elves
Warriors of Chaos

Possibly another wood elf army, a lizardman army and a tomb kings army.

Any thoughts?

Well, most armies there wins out there can be pretty good based around lots of magic, so tzeentch super herd should actually get you quite far. If going bestigors, I will recommend a small khorngor herd, had really good results with that. (Mostly against deamons of chaos and warriors of chaos. Yes, against our almost, very own brethren.) What I would say is, go undivided or tzeentch. One of the biggest advantages of beasts of chaos is skirmishing with ranks. Running in circles around your opponents is great fun and works good, so either go that way or khorne mino's, that would be my bets at least =P

My one concern with tzeentch has and will always be leadership. With our low leadership I worry about how much magic will have to make up and if it will be powerful enough against these particular armies? Not that all the players are exceptionally skilled.

Going tzeentch or not, leadership will always be a issue we complain a lot about. If you want, I have tried going very specialized army with slaanesh, lots of hounds and 5 gor and ungor herds, all to bait my two mino's, three chairot, slaangor and shaggoth of slaanesh, immune to the dreaded panic, we can flee with impunity. However, this will of course only work once you get the hang of it, but worth trying. And yes, I used shaggoth champion in 2250 points game, and I won, he ain't always bad. I just coped him with a giant, who is also immune to panic. If ld really is the problem, slaanesh is the way.

Well as of right now, it'll probably be 1 giant
(http://www.spawn.com/features/zodiac/taurus.html - just need to fix him up a bit and lock down the joints but I think he will fit on the base)

something like 4 chariots min/max

the real question is in composition.

with tzeentch I was thinking:
beastlord of tzeentch on foot
Wargor of tzeentch BSB with vitriolic totem (which I never get to use)
2 lvl 2 shamans, 1 death, 1 beasts

Fill it out with chariots, couple units of minotaurs, centigors, herds, maybe a unit of bestigors, a spawn or so maybe, and just clean up the points and see what happened.

Where as with khorne I can play far more conservative with heroes, doombull and cheap khorne units and go from there. Maybe a herd with heroes and those ever loving khorne chariots.

This post has been edited by Tauren on Nov 3 2009, 07:38 PM

Since I have had a habit to keep on replying to you, I guess I will keep on doing so =P First, a tzeentch beastlord, very popular, and for good cause too. When trying to go evil with him as well, try a goretooth. Hatred is ebil, and a beastlord with bears anger is even more. 4 chariots min max? Get 4 chariots. A bsb? Umm... eh... No. We beasts of chaos do not last in battle, we either lose or win the first round, if we win, good, if we lose, we run, rally and try again. We don't want to prolong our defeat, take more casualties and then run the next round. I think tzeentch wargor is good, but a bsb might not really cut it. If you do it for the poison on the other hand... that's some expensive poison isn't it? 50 points, and you can't really arm your wargor with that? You don't really need much more magic, you can just get some tzeentch chariots if you want more power dice. Umm yes... that's all =S

I have not played Tzeentch yet - but by all aspects its one of the strongest despite its LD issues.

True, but I guess the questions come up of 3 fold:

Magic is dangerous... and time consuming... but would its effectiveness help me against armies that will try to take up time in a limited time tourney in order to score wins? (ranged armies anyone?)
Leadership: Would khornes mitigation be more effective? than magic?
Speed: Khorne... move move move charge... done. Anti magic kill is easy cheesy.

I've never played a tzeentch army at anything important and I kinda want to truly try it...

Then try it. I would take a beastlord (needed to have a hope at casting some of the tzeentch spells) with goretooth, put a power stone and staff of darkoth on the BSB, and 2 L2s (generally taking lore of beasts on both).

Leadership hurts a bit, but in all honesty, if you want effective tzeentch magic, you need the lord. If you just want to fuel undivided L2's with tzeentch power dice, take a doombull instead.

I think I will drop the BSB. Any ideas on placement of the characters? IE where should they go? I was thinking a tzeentch bestigor unit with gore banner.

No bestigor units should be taken in the army. Take two herds w/ two characters each IMO.

Hmmm both super large? or 17 sized?

Both over 20 IMO. If you have the points, boost them over 24. All numbers including the characters of course.

Currently:

lvl 4 Beastlord
lvl 2 wargor
lvl 2 shaman
lvl 2 shaman

Nets me 12 Power dice, I'm thinking 14-16 is the sweet spot I need to hit. Any thoughts?

2 minotaur units would get you there nicely, allowing you to keep undivided on the 4 chariots you plan on taking. But personal preference takes a lot. Write up the list as you see it, then we can comment on the overall list, which is whats important.